Michael and Aaron start the show discussing two trucking industry articles. 

The first is courtesy of Freight Broker Live which talks about a large insurance carrier discontinuing commercial auto insurance: https://freightbrokerlive.com/breaking-news-44th-largest-commercial-insurance-carrier-5th-in-tx-says-were-done-with-commercial-auto-insurance/

The second is about VP of OOIDA Lewie Pugh's trip to capital hill addressing what's important to truck drivers: https://landline.media/ooida-drops-truckers-truth-bombs-at-senate-hearing/

Then they shift gears and have a great conversation with The Crafty Trucker, Jason and Heather. They're a team of expediters who have a successful trucking business and YouTube channel that documents the lifestyle they've built. 

We dive into their trucking careers and how they make their relationship work over the road. Subscribe to their channel here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCair4hwUA4B0j_Lwn3hSjSw

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Aaron Dunn:
Well, so what are y'all doing for Valentine's day?

Heather:
Hopefully we'll be running. We've been down for a month doing this truck thing.

Michael Clemens:
Welcome to trucking for millennials where we engage with the future of freight happening now. My name is Michael Clemens.

Aaron Dunn:
And I'm Aaron Dunn and we're here to help trucking and logistics professionals stay up to date and ahead of the curve. As our industry evolves.

Michael Clemens:
We're connecting with every step of the supply chain as part of our mission to increase transparency and provide world-class freight solution. Love is in the air.

Aaron Dunn:
Everywhere I truck around.

Michael Clemens:
Love is in the air.

Aaron Dunn:
I don't know the rest.

Michael Clemens:
I just kind made it up.

Aaron Dunn:
But I feel it.

Michael Clemens:
Yeah.

Aaron Dunn:
I feel the trucking vibes. The lovely trucking vibes today.

Michael Clemens:
This is going to be a good show.

Aaron Dunn:
You know what? This is episode 29?

Michael Clemens:
Yeah.

Aaron Dunn:
It only took 29 episodes and we finally got a episode we like.

Michael Clemens:
Yeah.

Aaron Dunn:
Yeah. Great show today. Great show today. We've got a great interview. We just had a great conversation with TheCraftyTrucker. Which is a husband and wife team, heather and Jason. Got 24,000 YouTube subscribers on top of the fact that they just drive around the country and expedite freight. And we talked to them about how they make it all work in their relationship and in the business.

Michael Clemens:
I probably sound like my wife but they are so cute.

Aaron Dunn:
They are pretty cute.

Michael Clemens:
Yeah. They are.

Aaron Dunn:
They are pretty cute. So, that's a treat that you'll get to listen to. But first of course you could just fast forward over this part too, so-

Michael Clemens:
Why would you want to do that?

Aaron Dunn:
Yeah, because we got some trucking stuff to talk about. First off, first off, some breaking news courtesy of your favorite freight broker, freightbrokerlive.com has broke this story about Hallmark Insurance. Headline, 44th largest commercial insurance carrier. Fifth largest in Texas says, "We're done with commercial auto insurance." Boom, boom, boom.

Michael Clemens:
So, according to sources, Hallmark Financial Services, the 44th largest in North America, announced that as a February 4th, 2020 they will be actively working to exit the commercial auto insurance market. Sources closest to the company say that excessive losses caused the company to make the decision. Which is yet again another story about trucking insurance providers. It's a shaky spot right now for the commercial insurance market.

Michael Clemens:
Everybody's very scared of the volatility that is happening in the market. What do they call? The nuclear deals that are happening, that the payouts are just insane when something bad or catastrophic happens and it's just not profitable for the insurance companies unfortunately. Even though a lot of times these insurance companies are stinging the crap out of the carriers.

Aaron Dunn:
Yeah. It says, "The problem lately is simply put, volatility in the marketplace." Is what Freight Broker Live says. A recent article published by Insurance Business Magazine explains it well. "The increasing severity of claims has driven rates up to a all time highs, and profitability for many carriers is down. As a result, capacity in the commercial auto marketplace has shrunk, especially among domestic markets. For those who stay, the Willis Towers Watson Marketplace reports predict auto liability rates to increase 6% to 12% in 2020."

Michael Clemens:
Oh great. So rates are going to go up.

Aaron Dunn:
Yeah, so apparently rates are going to go up and a lot of these people who are insured through this company-

Michael Clemens:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Aaron Dunn:
... Apparently this company got a lot of market share right at the start because they had lower rates, and now they're seeing why everybody else had higher rates because they can't make it work financially, and now all these companies that we're trusting them for their insurance are going to be without and they're definitely going to have their rates go up because they're going to have to go somewhere else because they're going to no longer provide it. We'll link to this article in the show notes, but man! this is just another case of insurance being bad news for carriers.

Michael Clemens:
Yeah. It seems like already, this is the theme of 2020, is the year of the trucking insurance. It's hurting companies. It sounds like the insurance companies are hurting too, which based on if you ask any of us trucking companies on what we're getting charged, would we think the insurance companies are hurting? Probably not. But you know, just this week I read about another one of those nuclear deals where a company has shut down because of an accident they originally had looked at... I think I'd read 150,000 is what they wanted to settle out of court on. The people wanted-

Aaron Dunn:
750.

Michael Clemens:
Yeah. The people wanted 750. They met there in the middle, but then the lawyer said they thought they could get more, and ended up getting a deal $7.5 million, and the company went out of business.

Michael Clemens:
So yeah, it's nuts. It's absolutely not right now. Is it right or is it wrong if somebody gets injured or someone gets hurt? I definitely think for people out there that are in an accident, if it's not their fault, they should be taken care of. But you're walking a weird place right now with deals of north of 5, $10 million. I don't want to get into whether it's right or wrong or not because every single situation is different and every injury is important and different for every citizen out there on the road. But it's just a really crazy place right now for the trucking and transportation companies to be because you can't plan accordingly. The insurance agents are telling you, "Oh yeah, we may be able to get rates down this year."

Michael Clemens:
I've been hearing that for the last five years, and my rates have went up every single year. So, it's just an interesting time right now.

Aaron Dunn:
Yeah. Interesting to say the least. Who knows where it's going to go. Hopefully people work this into the cost of doing business in the future.

Michael Clemens:
So, yeah, we've got a really interesting article here. And this one is from Landline, and it was written about what Lewie Pugh was talking to the Senate about, and to other multiple senators about the problems and the challenges that the transportation industry is facing right now. And one little extract out of here is on the current state of trucking. From the perspective of small business motor carriers and professional drivers, the state of the trucking industry is dysfunctional. This is because too many people who knew virtually nothing about trucking have an oversize role in shaping trucking policy.

Michael Clemens:
Drivers feel the negative effects of this firsthand, myself included. The hours of service rules are broken. There are hundreds of regulations that have nothing to do with highway safety. The lack of available truck parking is a national crisis. Enforcement is often motivated by profit, and drivers work extremely long hours with notoriously low pay. Washington has allowed trucking policy to be overly influenced by executives looking to maximize profits. Activists who'd like to regulate truckers to oblivion, state and local governments who view truckers as rolling piggy banks, and self-proclaimed experts who don't even know what the inside of a truck looks like.

Michael Clemens:
That's raw, but that's good. I think that's what we need more of out of the trucking industry.

Aaron Dunn:
Yeah. Yeah. I mean truth bombs is correct. That's what the headline says is, Truth bombs abound from Mr. Pugh's mouth. So shout outs to him.

Michael Clemens:
Yeah. And Lewie also gave the Senate... He said on what lawmakers can do to help truck drivers and improve highway safety. And here's some of those points. Repeal the failed electronic logging device mandate. Repeal the overtime exemption for drivers and the fair labor standards act. Provide dedicated funding for new truck parking capacity. Create a fair process for drivers to appeal inspection violations written in error. Fix the nation's crumbling infrastructure in an equitable way. Do not mandate speed limiters. Do not mandate front and side underride guards. Do not mandate higher insurance minimums. Do not enact a truck only vehicle miles traveled tax or expand tolling authority, and do not pass the DRIVE-safe Act.

Michael Clemens:
Sounds like Lewie knows what the trucking industry needs, or what the drivers are wanting.

Aaron Dunn:
Yeah. Yeah. I mean they stay so close to drivers and that's what they're here for. They're the Owner-Operators Association. So, shout out to him. It's definitely somebody to appreciate. You have to appreciate somebody who's so deep into it. We need people like that.

Michael Clemens:
Yeah. And what we hope is that the senators actually listen, and they don't act like members of our Congress and just rip it up.

Aaron Dunn:
Man! What would Lewis Pugh do if they just said, "Okay, thank you for being here and just did that?"

Michael Clemens:
Well, I think that's how truck drivers feel right now of what they've been doing with our suggestions.

Aaron Dunn:
That is true.

Michael Clemens:
So maybe we can make some progress here. Especially if... We've got some other things behind us in our country now maybe we can move on to actually tackling infrastructure, and some of these problems that we really have here. Let's use these minds that we have in Washington, DC to work together, and maybe get some things done and listen to the professionals that are in this industry, and not exactly like it said, the executives and people that are just pushing for more profits.

Michael Clemens:
I felt that way when we started out, that we were just a rolling piggy bank. They know trucks are going to be coming through their towns. They know trucks are going to be on the interstates, and sometimes you almost feel picked on. You just feel like, okay, they're just singling us out because we are a semi-truck. We don't have any reason why you should pull us over. Never have I seen where you can just get pulled over just for being you. Yeah, it's commercial, but you have good folks out there that are trying to make a living, trying to do a job.

Michael Clemens:
There's already so many people with an opinion of what they're doing and how they do it. And it's just unfortunate that we just can't let people do their damn job in this country. And I feel like they need to, and the senators and the Congress people and our government need to get behind what the trucking industry actually needs, and not what just people with money want.

Aaron Dunn:
Fire up that millennial horn. Fire up the truck horn for that. Truth bombs abound on this podcast today. Told y'all is going to be good. Michael showed up.

Michael Clemens:
And it's just how I feel about it, Aaron. You know?

Aaron Dunn:
That's true. It's true.

Michael Clemens:
I think we all want the best for this industry, and for it to be able to continue on and to be a promising industry for our generation, it's going to take some changes.

Aaron Dunn:
Well that's all we got for news today.

Michael Clemens:
Yeah. I hope everybody by now has gotten their Valentine a gift because it's Valentine's week.

Aaron Dunn:
Yeah. Yeah. If you're listening to this on Monday, thank you.

Michael Clemens:
And if you're listening to it on Saturday, and you didn't get a gift, sorry.

Aaron Dunn:
You're licking your wounds listening to this podcast like, "Oh, ding it!" That's all we got for today. Hope you enjoy this conversation that we have with TheCraftyTrucker. Go give them a subscribe. You'll be happy that you did.

Michael Clemens:
Yeah. Super cool people. Really enjoy chatting with them. Fire that truck out.

Aaron Dunn:
Yeah.

Aaron Dunn:
We have on the line TheCraftyTrucker, Jason and Heather Hutchens, they are a husband and wife team that expedite in the trucking industry. They also have 24,000 subscribers on YouTube for the crafty trucker YouTube channel, where they blog about their journey and their career. I'm really excited to talk to you both because we've been following each other at this point, from the PDQ Instagram account, and that kind of thing for a while, and it's just been great to see y'all progressing your careers. For those that don't know, maybe it's their first time to hear about YouTube. Are there anything else that I left out or you want to say about the work that y'all do?

Jason:
We just share a lifestyle that we came across. It's not for everybody, some people don't get it. But it's a lifestyle that we've come to really, really love. Traveling the country with each other, and there's a lot of husband and wife, and couples out there who like the idea. and that's our whole part of our YouTube channel. And sharing the information that we do is to share this information with others that are looking for a better adventure in life, you know?

Aaron Dunn:
Excellent. Excellent. The motto as you say, is peace, love, and expediting, right?

Heather:
That's right. That's it.

Jason:
Yeah.

Aaron Dunn:
If you could share with our listeners how long you've been in the industry and how long you've been expediting for?

Heather:
Well, we've been expediting for a total of seven years now. Before that, Jason was still in the trucking industry on a local level in Dallas. He did courier work in the Dallas area. And then... Oh gosh! You did that for how long?

Jason:
Oh gosh! Since 2002.

Heather:
Yeah.

Jason:
Yeah, I've been in transportation for quite a while. Doing all kinds of different stuff. We did a lot of next flight out, pick the stuff up from the airport, shipping it out, doing all the logistics of having stuff picked up from the airport, and delivered to customers. So, I've been doing transportation stuff and straight truck stuff since 2002. I've done dispatch, I've done sales, I've been a driver the whole entire time, and that I talked Heather into doing this back in 2012-

Heather:
12-

Jason:
... Yeah.

Heather:
Yeah, Previously I was in the eyecare industry. I did that for 20 years and Jason approached me in 2012. He had been doing research on different options and found expediting. He was looking on expediters online and found a bunch of info on there. And then he approached me with the idea, and at first I was like, "Heck no, I'm not going and driving that big old truck. What are you talking about?"

Jason:
She could barely-

Heather:
I could barely drive my 4Runner. Anything bigger than that, I was like, "No way." He kept on with me, and he showed me the truck, the straight trucks with the big custom sleepers and that's really what caught my attention, and I was like, "You know, maybe that is something that we can do." Yeah, We started with our first carrier in January 2013. We drove for a fleet owner for about four years. And then we purchased our own truck in 2017, and then we just bought another truck. Another new truck.

Aaron Dunn:
That's excellent. That's excellent. Thank you for sharing that journey you. You've mentioned before talking about this lifestyle that you've built. Talk about that a little bit. The expediting lifestyle. What is that?

Jason:
It's different, we're campers, our RV is the dirtiest. Doing deliveries is a way to kind of supplement that adventure. There's a lot of people out there that do this kind of lifestyle that they travel the country in their RVs of stuff, and maybe they're computer technicians, or they're able to work from their RV, and log onto their laptop and do their job and make money that way. This was what I had found. To be able to do that full time RV kind of lifestyle, but still be able to make money at the same time. To be able to pay our bills and have fun and enjoy our travels and stuff like that. It's really a combination of trucking and RVing, is what we've made out of it at least.

Jason:
I know there's a lot of people out there that, it's a trucking job. That's all it is, is a job, that they want to be able to travel a little bit, but they want to make some decent money. We've made it into a full time RVing style making in trucking. We've combined the two.

Heather:
I look at it as, it's more of a lifestyle. It's a lifestyle. It's not a job. We get paid to see the country, and gosh! what better job is that?

Jason:
Yeah.

Heather:
We don't look at it as a job. In the expediting industry, it's a little different because we do a lot of specialized freight, and it's a lot of freight that has to be picked up and get there ASAP. It's not where... Like some of the LPO freight, they pick it up and they have a week to get it there, and they've got five different places they got to deliver to.

Jason:
For a lot of the fellow trucks out there that, they have to stop for 10 hour breaks. And we're the smaller side of it. There's times where a shipper may order 50 pallets of something and then... Or a customer orders 50 pallets of some product, but then they only get 48 pallets of it, and they run through that 48 pallets and now they need that two extra pallets right then and there. Expediting is, you call us at three o'clock in the morning, and we jump up and we go and pick up and we get those extra two pallets there to keep production going. Or just to supplement what mistakes happen in the industry of trucking.

Jason:
Nothing ever goes perfect in trucking. I think most people in trucking know that. Stuff gets missed out on being shipped, or forgot to order. Maybe the guy was supposed to order 50 pallets and he only only ordered 48. We're the emergency guys, but since we spend a lot of times sitting around waiting in between loads, we kind of do the camping side of it too, and try to enjoy the time that we have down out here a lot.

Aaron Dunn:
You said y'all are in Waco and you're going to be picking up Monday. Do y'all generally try to stay around a specific area of the country or is it just kind of where the next load goes?

Jason:
where the next load goes.

Heather:
We'll go and do all of it.

Jason:
Yep. We go wherever... For the most part. There's some bad freight areas for us expediters. We're limited on what we can carry, so we're kind of limited to a certain amount of freight. But for the most part we just sit around and wait till we get a call and, "Hey, we got a load going to Florida." "All right, let's go." "Hey, we got a load going to Wyoming." "No thank you." It's, And we just go wherever it takes us. We never know where we're going to be the next day. And we can get that call at a moment's notice. "Hey, we need you to go here." And then we go, and we figure out what we're doing next after that.

Aaron Dunn:
Where do the majority of your loads come from? Do they come from brokerages, or companies? Where do they come from?

Jason:
We're leased on to a company. We lease our truck onto them and then they have brokers, agents that we work with, and they all get their own customers here and there. A lot of them have really big accounts. A lot of them don't. They just work off low boards and stuff like that.

Heather:
that's the majority of where we get our loads. We do have the options to get loads off of our carriers load board as well. We find a lot of times with us being in the expediting side, a lot of those loads don't really pay good. So the majority of them come from the agent.

Jason:
Yeah.

Aaron Dunn:
You had mentioned, you've got a certain type of freight. What is it that you ship most often? What are some of those types of freight that you move?

Jason:
You know it ranges from all kinds of stuff. Anywhere from auto parts to maybe band equipment, to stage lighting, to maybe pharmaceuticals one time. It's such a wide range of stuff, you know?

Heather:
[inaudible 00:21:32] the high value freight.

Jason:
We always look for the highest... Try to work with the agents who have the high value customers. Maybe a DOD contract or pharmaceuticals, hazmat loads pay better. Stuff like that. I think the only thing we won't haul is radioactive. It ranges differently all the time.

Aaron Dunn:
Let's jump a little bit into the theme of our episode. We wanted to have you on. Michael and I were talking about... We try to have some fun with what's happening in the world, or what time of year we are in on Trucking For millennials, and Valentine's day is right around the corner. And we were trying to think what should we do for this episode? And I immediately thought of you two because you two are so fun to watch. You just have an excellent story, and you seem pretty happy. So we wanted to ask, how is it working with your spouse?

Heather:
It's funny because when we first started it definitely is challenging, and it still can be challenging. But having the good relationships that we do has made it a lot easier. And of course being out here over the years has gotten easier. Don't get me wrong though, we do have episodes of a [inaudible 00:23:00]. It's not all peaches and cream all the time. You're in a confined space with somebody 24/7.

Jason:
We've really learned to... We know each other's quirks. We all have our own personalities. I admit I'm somewhat of a drill sergeant type when it comes to working, and Heather's really OCD, she's constantly telling me to do this. Or do that. And sometimes I feel she's nagging, she's not really nagging, but we get onto each other's nerves sometimes, but we laugh at each other's personalities and I think that's what really makes us get along so well because we just do some funny things.

Jason:
Heather's personality cracks me up sometimes, the way she gets all giddy about, we're going to do something. We spent Christmas in Destin, Florida, at a camp ground and the whole week before that she was booking it, and finding the RV spots and she was like, "Woo hoo, We're going camping." She's just has that personality, and I think we've learned to enjoy each other's bad parts of our personalities as long as our goods.

Heather:
Compromising is a big key for sure.

Jason:
That's really [inaudible 00:24:26]. For the longest time... We have a small bed in the truck, and it's about 48 inches, nothing really gigantic and we-

Heather:
Full size, a full size bed.

Jason:
it's small. We squeeze on it though together. It used to always be me sleeping on the outside, and then she would sleep on the inside where the wall was, and we started compromising where we-

Heather:
Switched [inaudible 00:24:54].

Jason:
Yeah, we'll switch back and forth one night she gets outside. But I hate sleeping on the inside because her and the dogs, they always push me up against the wall.

Heather:
I actually think us doing this over the last seven years. It's actually helped our relationship and brought us closer together really.

Jason:
It really, really, really has because before it was, we've seen each other at nighttime, and then we'd go to work the next day and we'd very rarely talked to... And then we get home and we're both worn out from the stressful day we had at our jobs. We lived together, we were married, but we never really got to have this intimate time together. It's made our bond together just... We spend every second of our time together.

Heather:
Even when we're home on home time we're together all the time.

Jason:
When we're at people are like, "How do you stay around your significant other for that much?" You know it's, "We're best friends." It's just grown into that for us. It was a real challenge starting out though, me being the drill Sergeant, and her OCD'ness, and just trying to figure out how we can work together and make both of our strong suits and downsides work together.

Heather:
It's a balance. We're a team. Everything we do it's a team effort. Yeah.

Jason:
Before starting a campfire, she's, getting the candle while I'm getting the wood, or if we're doing an oil change on the generator, she's grabbing the parts, while I'm taking the covers off the generator apart. Everything's a team effort now.

Aaron Dunn:
It's great.

Jason:
Once you get through that first part of being able to figure out how to work together, it just really becomes this amazing relationship.

Aaron Dunn:
One question I do have is, nightly, my wife and I, we try to figure out what we're going to have for dinner. How does that work for y'all? Do y'all have to figure out... Do y'all plan dinner or do y'all have that same conversation like my wife and I have? And then also, is it also the same for truck stops? As y'all are a cruising across the country, are there truck stops that maybe one or the other does or doesn't like to stop at?

Heather:
As far as the cooking, I usually will figure out what... I know what we like to eat. So, whatever groceries we have. I'll figure out, "Okay, well this is what we're going to have tonight." I'll tell Jason, he'll say yes or no. Sometimes he'll be like, "What you make making?" And I'll say, "I'm making breakfast" or "I'm making dinner, you'll just see what it is when I'm done."

Jason:
She cooks it, I eat it. if I want to eat [crosstalk 00:27:59].

Heather:
Yeah. And then as far as the truck stops, there's only one trips up in the country I really hate going to, and that's the Petro in Ontario. But if we have to, we go.

Jason:
That's when we really have to. I eat what I'm given, or I don't eat.

Michael Clemens:
Smart man.

Aaron Dunn:
That's how it works out at my house too. So. that's great.

Michael Clemens:
Yeah.

Aaron Dunn:
It's a unique lifestyle that you've built. We focus this show a lot of times around younger people. Who do you think this is suitable for? Of course everybody's a little different but you've obviously found some success in it. Would you recommend expediting as a career for other couples? And I'm just curious what you would advise younger people who might be in the industry now, driving in the industry but have a relationship but their significant other isn't on the road with them. Do you have any advice for people who are kind of in that boat?

Jason:
if you're tired of the daily 9-5, it doesn't matter what age you are. If you're just tired of that driving in traffic every morning and every night to get to and from work, and honestly, tired of being in debt. This last style is really... We lived in a house before and we work to pay our bills. We had a nice house, we had nice cars, but it was all we did, was work to pay those bills. And it just felt like being in that rat race of, you're not really going anywhere or enjoying anything. Every day is to make sure you make enough to pay those bills. And we got really tired of that lifestyle, and we sold everything to get out here and do this.

Jason:
I'm not saying you have to sell everything, but it made it easier for us to start out because when we first started out, we did not make a lot of money. It was something we had to work hard at, and learn the business and figure out how to work together. And it was a process. So, we sold everything just so we didn't need a lot of income to get to the point where we are today. For me, I grew up very nomadically. My mom was always moving us around. We bounce from place to place all the time. It was just something I really, really loved. So getting Heather, and she likes to travel and stuff. So by getting her used to not having a plan every day was a little bit of a challenge but you have to be willing to just go with the flow.

Heather:
I was going to add on that, you were asking about if somebody is trying to get their significant other out here. It's funny because we have a lot of people that watch our YouTube channel, that the husbands are already in trucking or have a trucking background and they're trying to talk. Their wife's into getting out here-

Jason:
Yeah,

Heather:
... And we have had so many people say, "I've just got my wife watching your videos, and she's changed her mind and wants to get out." They see our videos, they see the lifestyle. It's not all work for us. It's a lot of enjoyment. Staying at RV parks, other than truck stops. In a smaller truck. We can get into a lot more places at these big 18-wheelers can't. There's a lot of women that are intimidated by tractor trailers.

Heather:
They don't want to drive a big tractor trailer. They see the smaller truck, they see our videos and us doing it, and you it convinces them to want to try it. I think any age, it doesn't matter whether you're young, if you're already in the industry or not in the industry. Young or old, this job is great for any couples, and married couples are the number one team out here in expediting-

Jason:
Yeah.

Heather:
... Or even partners. That's really the great thing about the expediting side of things. We know a lot of people that... Older couples that are retired and they want to get out and do something. So they kind of do expediting to supplement their income.

Jason:
Yeah. Supplement their retirement. They come out on the road and do this, and make a little bit of living, and then get to travel and enjoy their retirement a little bit. We see a lot of younger folks getting into it. We've seen some fallout because it's stressful sometimes being out in trucking because you're driving in bad weather, you're with each other all the time. Sometimes you get in fights, and you just want to get off the road, but there is no age bracket, anybody can do this job. You just have to have, have that adventurous spirit to do it, and be able to compromise. You got to be able to work well with your significant other. We've seen the job of trucking split couples up before. Just because you're with each other so much that it will tear that relationship apart if you can't compromise.

Michael Clemens:
Well, so what are y'all doing for Valentine's day?

Heather:
Hopefully we'll be running. We've been down for a month doing this truck change.

Jason:
It's been six weeks since our last load, so hopefully we'll be running a nice long one from San Diego to Boston, Massachusetts. We've found that the freight comes first a lot of times and we celebrate things just when we have the time.

Heather:
Yeah. Yeah.

Jason:
We're out here to make money. So, Christmas time, we just spent it in Destin, Florida. New year's we spent it in Barstow, California. We never know where we're going to be. If we miss-

Heather:
A birthday.

Jason:
A birthday, if we're running over a birthday or anniversary, we just do it that weekend. So yeah. Who knows! Hopefully we'll be running.

Aaron Dunn:
That's awesome. That's awesome. That's true trucking love right there.

Jason:
Yeah.

Heather:
Yeah. That's right.

Jason:
We're out here chasing that freight, so.

Aaron Dunn:
we really appreciate you guys coming on our show. I think there's a lot that can be learned from you two. Where would you like people to go if they want to learn more about you?

Jason:
You could check out Facebook, Instagram. Most of our stuff is on YouTube.

Heather:
Yep. [crosstalk 00:34:58] trucker.

Jason:
Our YouTube's about a week behind, but we do post a lot of pictures of where we get to travel on our Instagrams and Facebook and stuff. And it's all TheCraftyTrucker at all three of those. We have a website, TheCraftyTrucker. It's not very good though, it's a work in progress. But we want to thank you guys for having us on.

Heather:
Yeah. Absolutely.

Jason:
I subscribe to your podcast on the Apple podcast thing, and I'll be checking it on my long drives when I'm getting bored, and looking for something to do, help kill the time, listen to what you guys are sharing.

Aaron Dunn:
Well we definitely appreciate that. Y'all drive safe and have a happy Valentine's day trucking your hearts out and-

Jason:
Absolutely.

Aaron Dunn:
... I'm sure we'll be seeing each other around.

Heather:
Absolutely, yeah. Thanks for having us. Happy valentines day to everybody, wherever you may be.

Aaron Dunn:
Excellent. Excellent. All right. Y'all have a wonderful evening.

Jason:
Don't be mad at your husband and if he forgets to get something.